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		<title>Board of Review, not so good?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>drubin11</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Most of you who went before your local board of review will start getting the results in the next week.  Our experience tells us that most of you will not be thrilled with what the have to say.  93% of those that go to the board of review stop there, don’t be one of those [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you who went before your local board of review will start getting the results in the next week.  Our experience tells us that most of you will not be thrilled with what the have to say.  93% of those that go to the board of review stop there, don’t be one of those if you feel that your house is not valued correctly.  With your board of review results in hand, contact us and we can take your case to the Michigan Tax Tribunal in Lansing.  This is what we do, we can help.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>drubin11</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It is March 1st, the March Boards of Review all over the State of Michigan will begin meeting this week with residents who feel they are paying too much on their property taxes. Most homeowners who reviewed their Notice of Assessment (the &#8220;THIS IS NOT A TAX BILL&#8221; notice)  were pleasantly surprised to see their [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is March 1st, the March Boards of Review all over the State of Michigan will begin meeting this week with residents who feel they are paying too much on their property taxes. Most homeowners who reviewed their Notice of Assessment (the &#8220;THIS IS NOT A TAX BILL&#8221; notice)  were pleasantly surprised to see their property taxes decreased for 2010, but are they lowered enough?  Could you sell your house for 2x the SEV today? <em>Our people</em>, who know this kind of stuff,  believe that in some cases they were, and in some cases they were not. This type of analysis and data provided by <em>Our People</em> is why they are so important to us at <a style="color: #003322; text-decoration: underline; font-weight: normal;" href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/?utm_source=Imported+Contacts&amp;utm_campaign=5459497d2c-TESTING1_26_2010&amp;utm_medium=email">www.weappealpropertytaxes.com</a>.  The real answer is it all depends on your individual situation, your house, your neighborhood, and how tired the assessor was when calculating the info on your house and your area.</p>
<p>If you are curious if you are paying too much, and you have not done so already, go to website and get your info in <a style="color: #003322; text-decoration: underline; font-weight: normal;" href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/start-saving/?utm_source=Imported+Contacts&amp;utm_campaign=5459497d2c-TESTING1_26_2010&amp;utm_medium=email">here</a>, but do it now. There are a few precious days left for the experts at WAPTax to review your property tax situation and get the appeal in to the board of review. If you are not curious about your property taxes, I suggest reading about the Olympic Gold Medal Hockey game that Canada won yesterday in the <a style="color: #003322; text-decoration: underline; font-weight: normal;" href="http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=54430.html?cid=rsstsn&amp;utm_source=Imported+Contacts&amp;utm_campaign=5459497d2c-TESTING1_26_2010&amp;utm_medium=email">best game ever</a>.</p>
<p>If you have submitted your property tax request for appeal to us already, <em>Our People</em> are working on reviewing your case, make sure you have emailed or faxed your 2010 Notice of Assessment to 248-382-0090. We will be in touch with you shortly and let you know if we plan on lowering your SEV and saving you cash money on your property taxes</p>
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		<title>Shaun White’s Property Tax</title>
		<link>http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/shaun-white%e2%80%99s-property-tax/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>drubin11</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Shaun White doesn’t own a home in Michigan so we are not appealing his property taxes.  He is amazing to watch as a snowboarder and if he did have a house in Michigan we really think he would use www.weappealpropertytaxes.com to save cash money on his taxes.  This is just our opinion.  The deadline is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shaun White doesn’t own a home in Michigan</strong> so we are not appealing his property taxes.  He is amazing to watch as a snowboarder and if he did have a house in Michigan we really think he would use www.weappealpropertytaxes.com to save cash money on his taxes.  This is just our opinion.  The deadline is fast approaching, get your property info into the &#8220;<a href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/start-saving/">lets get started tab</a>&#8220; on the website, just like <strong>Shaun White</strong> likely would.</p>
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		<title>Your Property Taxes Have Been Lowered&#8230; maybe.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>drubin11</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>If you got your Notice of Assessment (that official looking form that says THIS IS NOT A TAX BILL)  in the mail you will have seen a reduction in your Assessed Value, which could possibly lower your 2010 property taxes. Some have even come with an estimated reduction highlighted in yellow, very cute, our government [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you got your Notice of Assessment (that official looking form that says THIS IS NOT A TAX BILL)  in the mail you will have seen a reduction in your Assessed Value, which could possibly lower your 2010 property taxes. Some have even come with an estimated reduction highlighted in yellow, very cute, our government has become marketing savvy.  If you have not received it you will in the next few days. This is great, but don&#8217;t be fooled or content.</p>
<p>As real estate housing values have plummeted, assessors have made &#8220;blanket assessments&#8221; for each market.  These assessments have reduced your State Equalized Value (SEV) and if this is lower then your Taxable Value (TV) your property taxes will be reduced for 2010. This is a step in the right direction, but it is not unique to your house or your particular situation.  Even though there was a reduction, it may not be enough.</p>
<p>The deadline is fast approaching to have the right to appeal your propery taxes. Let <a href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/">www.weappealpropertytaxes.com</a> review you situation at no cost to you, apply online.  If you miss the deadline, you are stuck possibly not paying your fair share, happily.</p>
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		<title>Do I Start the Property Tax Appeal Now?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The calls and emails have started coming in.</p>
<p>You start thinking about appealing your property taxes now. By thinking about it, you can go to www.weappealpropertytaxes.com to learn about the next steps. I feel like the property tax appeal process is intentionally set up to be difficult for the homeowner and confusing.</p>
<p>In the next few weeks you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The calls and emails have started coming in.</p>
<p>You start thinking about <strong>appealing your property taxes</strong> now. By thinking about it, you can go to <a href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com" target="_blank">www.weappealpropertytaxes.com</a> to learn about the next steps. I feel like the <strong>property tax appeal</strong> process is intentionally set up to be difficult for the homeowner and confusing.</p>
<p>In the next few weeks you will receive your <strong>notice of property tax assessment</strong>. This will have the values that your property tax is based upon. You will have 10 days from the date you get this notice to file the appeal with the board of review, which is mandatory, or you lose your right. We handle this for you, don’t worry. <strong>If you think you are paying too much on your property taxes now</strong>, don’t wait to get this notice in the mail.</p>
<p>Go to <a href="http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/start-saving/" target="_blank">www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/getstarted</a> and let&#8217;s get rolling.</p>
<p>If we can’t save you money no harm no foul, you lose nothing. If we can, you put cash money in your pocket, guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>Property Tax Appeals Going Gonzo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[We're getting incredible feedback for our tax appeal services and our attorneys are starting to get grumpy they're working too [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We&#8217;re getting incredible feedback for our tax appeal services and our attorneys are starting to get grumpy they&#8217;re working too much</strong>. Oh well, they need to earn their money instead always playing basketball and golf!</p>
<p>Save Cash Money &#8211; <strong>Appeal Your Property Taxes in Michigan</strong></p>
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		<title>What Do Property Taxes and Halftime Shows at Big Sporting Events Have in Common?</title>
		<link>http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/what-do-property-taxes-and-halftime-shows-at-big-sporting-events-have-in-common/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets stop overpaying what we owe in property taxes and while we're at it, find something else to do during [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What do property taxes and halftime shows at big sporting events have in common?</strong></p>
<p>A lot more than you think. Find me somebody who likes paying property taxes, or at least paying more than their fair share. Find me another person who likes halftime entertainment during major sporting events. Even the good performers dont look like good performers on TV. The fancy rolled in stage with made up fans pretending to be going nuts in the front row. The Superbowl is the most challenged by this, but is has dripped down to all the college bowls games, all star games and any other event that it trying to promote itself as bigger then the event itself. <strong>Lets stop overpaying what we owe in property taxes and while we&#8217;re at it, find something else to do during halftime.</strong></p>
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		<title>Your Property Taxes Will Have Decreased</title>
		<link>http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/your-property-taxes-will-have-decreased/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[The Property Tax Blog]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Its true, values across Michigan have been reduced.  This reduction, if it reduces the taxable value on your house will lower your Michigan property tax bill.  The problem is, this valuation was done as a broad reduction in value.  Its not unique to your house, your neighborhood, and generally just not enough of a reduction. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its true, values across Michigan have been reduced.  This reduction, if it reduces the taxable value on your house will <strong>lower your Michigan property tax bill</strong>.  The problem is, this valuation was done as a broad reduction in value.  Its not unique to your house, your neighborhood, and generally just not enough of a reduction.  <strong>If property taxes were reduced as much as they should</strong> under the current system, the municipalities that rely on property tax revenue would have some major budget issues.  Take a real close look at the value on your house, values in some areas should be and could be down as much as 70% from their highs, there is not an adjustment on any tax bill that will show that.  Pay your taxes, but pay your fair share.</p>
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		<title>Apply Free Online For Your Property Tax Appeal</title>
		<link>http://www.weappealpropertytaxes.com/apply-free-for-property-tax-appeal/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>NOTE: At this time we ONLY Appeal Property Taxes in Michigan</p>
<p>CONTINGENT FEE AGREEMENT
TO David C. Rubin, Esq.
www.weappealpropertytaxes.com</p>
<p>The Rubin Law Firm, PLLC
31000 Northwestern Hwy, Suite 220
Farmington Hills, Michigan 48334
drubin@weappealpropertytaxes.com
248-382-0090
Fax 248-382-0090</p>
<p>Re: Legal Representation/ Property Tax Appeal
This letter will confirm that we have retained www.weappealpropertytaxes.com and or the Rubin Law Firm, PLLC to evaluate the assessment of our property(s).</p>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NOTE: At this time we ONLY Appeal Property Taxes in Michigan</strong></p>
<p>CONTINGENT FEE AGREEMENT<br />
TO David C. Rubin, Esq.<br />
www.weappealpropertytaxes.com</p>
<p>The Rubin Law Firm, PLLC<br />
31000 Northwestern Hwy, Suite 220<br />
Farmington Hills, Michigan 48334<br />
drubin@weappealpropertytaxes.com<br />
248-382-0090<br />
Fax 248-382-0090</p>
<p><strong>Re: Legal Representation/ Property Tax Appeal</strong><br />
This letter will confirm that we have retained www.weappealpropertytaxes.com and or the Rubin Law Firm, PLLC to evaluate the assessment of our property(s).</p>
<ul>
<li>Scope of Services. The services to be provided are to obtain a tax liability reduction for the property, including negotiations with the taxing authority and, if necessary, appealing to the Michigan Tax Tribunal, and, at your discretion, the applicable appellate courts. You reserve the right to determine that it is not cost efficient to pursue negotiations, a protest and/or appeal on any of the Properties and to withdraw or dismiss the appeal after consulting with us, the Client. You also reserve the right to settle the appeal in what we determine is in our best interest, this is your sole judgment.</li>
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<ul>
<li>Fee for Services. Your fee will be 50% of any tax savings in the first year year after the reassessment, savings after the first year will be 100% to us, the client (whether taxes have been paid or not), which may include interest and penalties, realized due to a taxable value reduction. If the tax rate for a given year is not known at the time payment of the fee is due, the tax rate for the prior year shall be used to calculate the fee owed. You understand that our savings will be year after year as long as we own our Property, and that you will not share in any of these savings. We get all the cash money after the first year.</li>
</ul>
<p>The fee calculation will be:<br />
(Initial taxable value) minus (revised taxable value) = taxable value reduction.<br />
(Taxable value reduction) x (total mills levied for tax year(s) at issue) = tax savings.<br />
(Tax savings) x 50% = fees for services.</p>
<ul>
<li>Payment of Fee. Upon receipt of the refund check, refund calculation and/or notice of revised assessment values, we will provide you with a copy and we agree to pay the amount due within 7 days of an invoice. We authorizes you to endorse any refund check on our behalf for deposit into your client trust account, to hold the proceeds, and disburse such proceeds in accordance with this letter.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Cost and Expenses and How to Engage. Once we decide we want you to review our appeal, we will have digitally accepted this document by completing the information below, or printed it and faxed it to your office (we prefer the electronic way, it is 2010!). After your free review of our property tax situation you will advise us if you think you can save us cash money on our taxes. If you think you can save us money and an appeal is in our best interest we will pay filing fee, if any, and a $50 expense deposit through the website using our credit card once we receive the confirmation email that you are going to be appealing our taxes and the amount of our deposit (minimum of $50 and maximum of $250 depending on the type of appeal and amount).  These fees are non-refundable (we know you are spending every dime of it), however, you guarantee that if you don&#8217;t save us at least the amount of the filing fee and expense deposit, you will reimburse us the cost.  There is absolutely no risk to us.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Terms of Engagement. This agreement is considered open-ended, it will continue for each subsequent tax year by amendment of the appeal to include a subsequent tax year or by filing of a new petition, sometimes we may go more then one year to get the reduction. Should either party choose to discontinue the engagement, for all or any of the Properties, a letter will have to be sent saying so. In the event we desire to discontinue the engagement related to one or more of the Properties while the appeal is in process, the actual reasonable costs, expenses, and fees for services performed to the date of discontinuation with respect to such properties shall be paid by us to you within 30 days of the date of the invoice.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Third Party Fees. Every effort will be made to resolve an appeal without incurring expenses for third party services such as appraisals and expert’s services. However in the event such services are required, it will be up to us if we want to proceed. We will contract directly with the third party and all fees incurred will be outside the scope of this engagement letter all at our discretion and our choice. The Michigan Tax Tribunal Rules of Practice and Procedure mandate that a “valuation disclosure” be filed in each appeal. Accordingly, we agree to contract with an appropriately licensed appraiser when required to do so and we agree that it will be in our best interest to get a reduction in our property taxes.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Conflicts. Client waives any conflict of interest under the Michigan Rules of Professional Conduct, or any applicable law, as a result of our representation of Client in which we previously represented the municipality involved.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Primary Attorney. David C. Rubin shall be the primary attorney. We understand that he may utilize the services of his partners, associates and assistants at his discretion.</li>
</ul>
<p>Once you get the digital acceptance from us or this letter signed and faxed to us, you will begin the review to determine if you think you can save us cash money on our taxes. If you determine that you can save us cash money, you will send us an email acknowledging that you will be taking the appeal, there will also be the amount of the expense deposit and deposit for filing fees, if any, which you guarantee will not get back less than the amount of the fee, so there is no risk to us.  We understand the process won&#8217;t start until the deposit on the fees are made.  Sorry to be so mean about that, but its how we help control and make the process efficient and effective.  I think that says it all.</p>
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		<title>Appeal your property taxes with a professional</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>More now then ever, those responsible for assessing residential property are walking a very tight rope.  Values are down, most anybody that woke up this morning is aware of that.  However, how down and what is fair is another question.  As new assessed value notices start showing up in Michigan residents mailboxes, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More now then ever, those responsible for assessing residential property are walking a very tight rope.  Values are down, most anybody that woke up this morning is aware of that.  However, how down and what is fair is another question.  As new assessed value notices start showing up in Michigan residents mailboxes, they might see a reduction in the SEV which may or may not have an impact on the taxable value, and ultimately the amount of property taxes.  In order to take advantage of the lowering in property values (might as well get some benefit) your SEV has to be less.  This is confusing, if you have a lot of time to learn this, know what to do, do it on your own. If you don’t, hire somebody that does, on a contingency basis. The success rate for professionals doing property tax appeals is reported to be twice as high as a homeowner doing it on their own.  I made that up, but sounds about right.</p>
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